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that a where newt gingrich comes in. the significance of cable television, significance of having a cable tv channel she v sharing everything. he was an outsider, irritant to republican leaders. congress was a very different place back then too. there were real authentic moderate republicans, liberal republicans. lots of them. gingrich took charge of a small band of conservative back benchers. the mission was ideological, but tactical. no more compromising with democrats. just open partisan warfare. this was their vision. it was a vision that resonated powerfully with the conservative grassroots. and c-span was integral to the gingrich game plan. house rules allowed for something called special order speeches. so members could take to the floor after hours and hold court on any subject they wanted. no one ever did it. what was the point of droning on to an empty chamber. but when c-span turned its cameras on, that changed the equation. the chamber was still empty. for the first time, ever, any american will cable televis
that a where newt gingrich comes in. the significance of cable television, significance of having a cable tv channel she v sharing everything. he was an outsider, irritant to republican leaders. congress was a very different place back then too. there were real authentic moderate republicans, liberal republicans. lots of them. gingrich took charge of a small band of conservative back benchers. the mission was ideological, but tactical. no more compromising with democrats. just open partisan...
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the issue was entirely different, as speaker newt gingrich, my great friend newt knows very, very well. the issue was the two sides couldn't reach an agreement on a budget resolution. and the president and newt gingrich, particularly were at loggerheads, the public blamed the republicans. but the most important issue there was about what the budget was going to be. it was not about a piece of legislation already on the books. once you open the door to the kind of extortion that the republicans are now wanting to use, that is, we have got a piece of legislation already passed both houses of congress and approved by the president. it has been sustained by the supreme court as constitutional, once you open the door to the republicans using a shutdown and a threat to basically default on the nation's debt as a means of getting their way to change that legislation, or to delay that legislation, or to repeal that legislation then no piece of legislation is safe. >> let me bring -- >> our legislative system -- >> he is a terrific person, a great scholar, but this is nonsense. in the 1970s, un
the issue was entirely different, as speaker newt gingrich, my great friend newt knows very, very well. the issue was the two sides couldn't reach an agreement on a budget resolution. and the president and newt gingrich, particularly were at loggerheads, the public blamed the republicans. but the most important issue there was about what the budget was going to be. it was not about a piece of legislation already on the books. once you open the door to the kind of extortion that the republicans...
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the issue was entirely different, as speaker newt gingrich, my great friend newt knows very, very well. the issue was the two sides couldn't reach an agreement on a budget resolution. and the president and newt gingrich, particularly were at loggerheads, the public blamed the republicans. but the most important issue there was about what the budget was going to be. it was not about a piece of legislation already on the books. once you open the door to the kind of extortion that the republicans are now wanting to use, that is, we have got a piece of legislation already passed both houses of congress and approved by the president. it has been sustained by the supreme court as constitutional, once you open the door to the republicans using a shutdown and a threat to basically default on the nation's debt as a means of getting their way to change that legislation, or to delay that legislation, or to repeal that legislation then no piece of legislation is safe. >> let me bring -- >> our legislative system -- >> he is a terrific person, a great scholar, but this is nonsense. in the 1970s, un
the issue was entirely different, as speaker newt gingrich, my great friend newt knows very, very well. the issue was the two sides couldn't reach an agreement on a budget resolution. and the president and newt gingrich, particularly were at loggerheads, the public blamed the republicans. but the most important issue there was about what the budget was going to be. it was not about a piece of legislation already on the books. once you open the door to the kind of extortion that the republicans...
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reisch on the left, and newt gingrich on the right. and why there is an attempted right wing coup against the president. we'll answer your questions tonight live, tweet us, and with washington in a straight jacket, who better than to show us how to get through an impossible situation. chriss angel, showing us how to get out of a straight jacket. and again, from john mccain, he said from the beginning of this, the americans will blame the gop for the shutdown and things are no better with the debt deadline looming next week. senator mccain, it has been more than a week with the shutdown, and many are asking when is washington going to get its act together and get this sorted. do you know the answer? >> i don't not, piers, but we may reach the point where the markets tell us to come to an agreement, and that would be, of course, when we start to default on our debts. i hope that is not the case. because i think the markets will react. and obviously, that will be bad for almost all americans who have stocks in the stock market. but right
reisch on the left, and newt gingrich on the right. and why there is an attempted right wing coup against the president. we'll answer your questions tonight live, tweet us, and with washington in a straight jacket, who better than to show us how to get through an impossible situation. chriss angel, showing us how to get out of a straight jacket. and again, from john mccain, he said from the beginning of this, the americans will blame the gop for the shutdown and things are no better with the...
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joining me, newt gingrich, the co-host of the brilliant new show. and during the last shutdown, i feel like i'm bringing ali and frazier back. >> i'm ali. >> of course you are, dick. let's talk about the shutdown, newt gingrich said earlier it was not a crisis, but surely most american people would imagine that any shutdown of the government constitutes a crisis, right? >> no, i'm opposed to the shutdown, i think it is stupid. i think the republicans should fight over the debt limit where they can win. but the shutdown, there will be no sonic boom going off at midnight. a percentage are entitlement, they are not affected. they get paid anyway. this is only about a third of the budget, it means, for example, you can use your passport to travel, you can't get a new one, you will get your social security checks, you can't newly apply, you can't get a new gun permit, the national partial parks will be closed. we felt disappointed frankly, at the lack of the shutdown. have you any idea as a great american, a historian, what that means if the statue of li
joining me, newt gingrich, the co-host of the brilliant new show. and during the last shutdown, i feel like i'm bringing ali and frazier back. >> i'm ali. >> of course you are, dick. let's talk about the shutdown, newt gingrich said earlier it was not a crisis, but surely most american people would imagine that any shutdown of the government constitutes a crisis, right? >> no, i'm opposed to the shutdown, i think it is stupid. i think the republicans should fight over the debt...
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an old friend newt gingrich you think boehner will survive this onslaught my guess is he'll be speaker through the rest of this congress whether or not he wants to run again after that i have no idea if he's got to feel exhausted and in some ways deserted by the right wing of his party and he must be frankly a little befuddled about how do you manage the house at this point his hard right won't give him votes when he needs it the democrats are very disciplined an answer policy legitimately is not going to help him at all so he has a very hard road to hoe i don't think he'll be replaced but i do think he has to ask himself after this term is over does he really want to try to stay at this thankless position or does he see a way to improve dramatically the republican position in the house but this is going to be a pretty tough week for john boehner. will rogers once said i'm not a member of any organized party i'm a democrat that seems to be reversed now the democrats seem to be totally organized and the republicans seem to have two to three wings in that and that set up where would newt
an old friend newt gingrich you think boehner will survive this onslaught my guess is he'll be speaker through the rest of this congress whether or not he wants to run again after that i have no idea if he's got to feel exhausted and in some ways deserted by the right wing of his party and he must be frankly a little befuddled about how do you manage the house at this point his hard right won't give him votes when he needs it the democrats are very disciplined an answer policy legitimately is...
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one other thing newt you say we go back to the gingrich revolution in retrospect was it a success well in the sense that we created a houseman public a majority the lasted for twelve years for the first time really since in over seventy years we balanced the budget we reformed welfare we had the first tax cut in seventeen years for the economy grew dramatically and we reduce regulations i think in that sense it was it was a success and it didn't fundamentally change the direction of history but remember when i left here in the middle of four consecutive years of a balanced budget and we were actually projecting the paying off of the federal debt it was a remarkable moment i think bill clinton certainly deserves half the credit but i think the house republicans deserve the other half and one of the thing in the overall picture of things here an optimist or a pessimist on the total optimist i don't see how you can be an american believe in american history look at the american people and not be an optimist i think it just is it's a part of who we are. newt as always thank you very much l
one other thing newt you say we go back to the gingrich revolution in retrospect was it a success well in the sense that we created a houseman public a majority the lasted for twelve years for the first time really since in over seventy years we balanced the budget we reformed welfare we had the first tax cut in seventeen years for the economy grew dramatically and we reduce regulations i think in that sense it was it was a success and it didn't fundamentally change the direction of history but...
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on the right newt gingrich. in "crossfire", congressman jan schakowsky, who supports obama care, and congressman tim murphy, who opposes it, obama care, under fire tonight on "crossfire." >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm van jones on the left. >> i'm newt gingrich on the right. in the crossfire tonight representatives jan schakowsky and tim murphy. people seem surprised i've drawn a parallel between nixon and the dishonesty of this administration, but let's look at what happened in the last few days. a white house tweet saying, quote, nothing in obama care forces people out of their health care. that's patently not true. today the secretary testify health and human services said the obama care website hadn't crashed, which is so wrong it's painful. she also alleged she's barred by law from enrolling in obama care. mo are on that in a moment. cnn is it reporting the administration is pressuring insurance executives to keep quiet, which would be an illegal abuse of power, if it turns out to be true. which part of t
on the right newt gingrich. in "crossfire", congressman jan schakowsky, who supports obama care, and congressman tim murphy, who opposes it, obama care, under fire tonight on "crossfire." >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm van jones on the left. >> i'm newt gingrich on the right. in the crossfire tonight representatives jan schakowsky and tim murphy. people seem surprised i've drawn a parallel between nixon and the dishonesty of this administration, but...
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on the right newt gingrich. in abandi harris, a republican congressman, who is also a doctor, fixing what ails obama care. is it a hopeless case? tonight on "crossfire." >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm stephanie cutter on the left. >> i'm newt gingrich on the right. in the crossfire tonight, ann felipic, and andy harris. obama care is a train wreck. the problems are so widespread and so obvious, some people think it's hopeless. i've joined those who are calling for secretary sebelius to be fired. today even president obama tried to tamp down the anxiety. >> nobody's madder than me, which means it's going to get fixed. >> but, you know, the problem is that this creates a general sense the anxiety. if the federal government after 3 1/2 years can't get a website right, why would you believe that they're also going to get the doctor right, they're going to get the procedure right medically. this is a really complicated process. don't you agree that this has been a much more disappointing start than you had hoped for
on the right newt gingrich. in abandi harris, a republican congressman, who is also a doctor, fixing what ails obama care. is it a hopeless case? tonight on "crossfire." >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm stephanie cutter on the left. >> i'm newt gingrich on the right. in the crossfire tonight, ann felipic, and andy harris. obama care is a train wreck. the problems are so widespread and so obvious, some people think it's hopeless. i've joined those who are...
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i'm stephanie cutter. >> from the right, i'll newt gingrich. join us tomorrow for another edition of "crossfire." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >>> "outfront." spying on manager's best friends. today spies finally went on offense. >> some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie, casa blanca. my god, there's gambling going on here. >> plus a grisly discovery at two water treatment plantss. >> they discovered a human
i'm stephanie cutter. >> from the right, i'll newt gingrich. join us tomorrow for another edition of "crossfire." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >>> "outfront." spying on manager's best friends. today spies finally went on offense. >> some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie, casa blanca. my god, there's gambling going on here. >> plus a grisly discovery at two water treatment plantss. >> they discovered a human
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newt gingrich, a few days into the 1995 government shutdown, told reporters the story of that snub on the plane as his way of explaining why he had to play such hardball with president clinton on that year's budget. quote, i think that's part of why you ended up with us sending down a tougher budget resolution, mr. gingrich said. this is petty, and i'm going to say up-front it's petty, but i think it's human. look at this from the baltimore sun. "gingrich links stalemate to perceived clinton snub," as he has done repeatedly since returning home from the rabin funeral, mr. gingrich railed against mr. clinton's treatment of him. at a breakfast, he said he was insulted and appalled that mr. clinton had refused to invite republican leaders to the front of the plane. mr. gingrich said, where is their sense of manners, where is their sense of courtesy? and thus was born one of the most famous newspaper front pages of all time. this was the cover of the "new york daily news," three days into the 1995 government shutdown. "cry baby -- newt's tantrum, he closed down the government because clin
newt gingrich, a few days into the 1995 government shutdown, told reporters the story of that snub on the plane as his way of explaining why he had to play such hardball with president clinton on that year's budget. quote, i think that's part of why you ended up with us sending down a tougher budget resolution, mr. gingrich said. this is petty, and i'm going to say up-front it's petty, but i think it's human. look at this from the baltimore sun. "gingrich links stalemate to perceived...
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on the right newt gingrich. the associated producer of the movie "blackfish" and a wildlife trainer and conservationist. free the whales or put them on display? tonight on "crossfire." >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> and i'm dan jones on the left. >> in the "crossfire" tonight. tim zimmerman. he wrote a magazine article that inspired a film called "blackfish" and greg who is a wildlife trainer and conservationist. listen, tonight cnn is airing a film, it's a tough one. it's about a woman, a trainer. she was actually killed by one of the orcas at seaworld. as a dad i've taken my kid to these big aquariums. i always had a great time. i thought it was wonderful. you're seeing these big animals up close, so i was really shocked when i learned how risky these jobs are for the trainers, and how terrible the conditions are for these magnificent creatures after they get captured. look at this clip from the film "blackfish." >> we started having difficulty getting them into a small steel bo
on the right newt gingrich. the associated producer of the movie "blackfish" and a wildlife trainer and conservationist. free the whales or put them on display? tonight on "crossfire." >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> and i'm dan jones on the left. >> in the "crossfire" tonight. tim zimmerman. he wrote a magazine article that inspired a film called "blackfish" and greg who is a wildlife trainer...
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newt gingrich and van jones are here. mitt romney put out a statement today saying that what's working in massachusetts should never have been used as some sort of national platform, if you will. he said health reform is best crafted by states with bipartisan support and input from its employers as we did without raising taxes phasing it in without seeing the disruptions we're seeing nationally. >> first of all, if you study carefully romney care, it's the second affordable health care in the united states. >> people in massachusetts like it. >> sure, and they pay for it, but you couldn't extend to the rest of the country. >> should individual states have done what massachusetts did, as opposed -- >> they were drifting in that direction. you look at vermont, which has adopted a single payer system, totally different than anyone else. >> you have romney hugging romney racare. he spent two years running from romney care, now he's promoting it. that said, romney care started out unpopular and glitchy. now it's popular and wo
newt gingrich and van jones are here. mitt romney put out a statement today saying that what's working in massachusetts should never have been used as some sort of national platform, if you will. he said health reform is best crafted by states with bipartisan support and input from its employers as we did without raising taxes phasing it in without seeing the disruptions we're seeing nationally. >> first of all, if you study carefully romney care, it's the second affordable health care in...
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former speaker of the house and presidential candidate newt gingrich shares his insights. on "the 700without tailgating and we have some of the top tailgating foods to keep you and your friends screaming for more. david miller from hard rock cafe joins us this morning with more. - what foods should we enjoy while tailgating? - what drinks should we enjoy? - what's new at hard rock cafe? to learn more log on to fox baltimore dot to learn more log on to fox baltimore dot to learn more log on to fox baltimore dot com slash morning. the least you can do.. is laught at it. a look at the government shut down... that might make you chuckle.. or at least smile. you're watching fox 45 good day baltimore. shutdown have in common? jeanne moos compares 2013 to 1995. it's deja vu all over again. --reporter pkg- as follows-- the clock was ticking... "tick tick tick tick...." "with a ticking time bomb..." sometimes two clocks....people seemed to be getting ticked off. "...with a compromise position." "congressman that's not fair, don't you dare put this back on me, you know full well you
former speaker of the house and presidential candidate newt gingrich shares his insights. on "the 700without tailgating and we have some of the top tailgating foods to keep you and your friends screaming for more. david miller from hard rock cafe joins us this morning with more. - what foods should we enjoy while tailgating? - what drinks should we enjoy? - what's new at hard rock cafe? to learn more log on to fox baltimore dot to learn more log on to fox baltimore dot to learn more log on...
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on the right, newt gingrich. in the crossfire. congresswoman janet shikowsky who supports obama care and congressman tim murphy who opposes it. obama care under fire tonight on "crossfire." >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm van jones on the left. >> i'm newt gingrich on the right. in the crossfire tonight, representatives jan shikowski and tim murphy. people seem surprised i've drawn a parallel between richard nixon and the dishonesty of this administration. but look at what's happened in just the last few days. we've had a white house tweet saying quote nothing in obama care forces people out of their health plans. that's patently not true. today the secretary of health and human services said the obama care web site hadn't crashed, which is so wrong it's painful. she also alleged she's barred by law from enrolling in obama care. more on that in a moment. and cnn is reporting the administration is pressuring insurance executives to keep quiet, which would be an illegal abuse of power if it turns out to be true. which part of this d
on the right, newt gingrich. in the crossfire. congresswoman janet shikowsky who supports obama care and congressman tim murphy who opposes it. obama care under fire tonight on "crossfire." >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm van jones on the left. >> i'm newt gingrich on the right. in the crossfire tonight, representatives jan shikowski and tim murphy. people seem surprised i've drawn a parallel between richard nixon and the dishonesty of this administration. but...
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this man is the biggest flirt of all, newt gingrich. it was newt gingrich who 20 years ago spearheaded the right-wing's virulent crusade against the norms of democratic government. as speaker of the house he twice brought about shutdowns of the federal government once, believe it or not, because he felt snubbed after riding on air force one with president clinton and had to leave by the back door. it was also newt gingrich, speaker gingrich, who was caught lying to congressional investigators looking into charges of his ethical wrongdoing. his colleagues voted overwhelmingly, 395-28, to reprimand him. pressure from his own party then prompted him to resign. yet even after his flame-out, even after his recent bizarre race for the presidency bankrolled with money from admiring oligarchs, even after new allegations about his secret fundraising for right-wing candidates, gingrich remains the darling of a fawning amnesic media. >> i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> on cnn.com the other day he issued a call to arms to his fellow bomb-throwers
this man is the biggest flirt of all, newt gingrich. it was newt gingrich who 20 years ago spearheaded the right-wing's virulent crusade against the norms of democratic government. as speaker of the house he twice brought about shutdowns of the federal government once, believe it or not, because he felt snubbed after riding on air force one with president clinton and had to leave by the back door. it was also newt gingrich, speaker gingrich, who was caught lying to congressional investigators...
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newt gingrich with a historical advantage. he has the advantage of having lived through that history. thanks very much for coming in. >> right. >>> you can always follow what's going on here in the situation room. you can tweet me. you can tweet the sho show @cnnsitroom. crossfire starts right now. >>> tonight on crossfire, tough talk. >> let's stop the excuses. >> and calls for more talk. >> the president said today was if there's unconditional surrender by republicans, he'll sit down and talk to us. that's not the way our government works. >> when will somebody listen? on the left, stephanie cutter of the on the right, s.e. cupp in the crossfire. bill burton who supports the president's refusal to negotiate and david limbaugh who says republicans should force him to the tabl. more talk or more action? tonight on crossfire. >>> welcome to crossfire. i'm stephanie kurt on the left. i'm s.e. cupp on the right. president obama and the democrats spent the day trying to paint the republicans as extremists. i think it's other way a
newt gingrich with a historical advantage. he has the advantage of having lived through that history. thanks very much for coming in. >> right. >>> you can always follow what's going on here in the situation room. you can tweet me. you can tweet the sho show @cnnsitroom. crossfire starts right now. >>> tonight on crossfire, tough talk. >> let's stop the excuses. >> and calls for more talk. >> the president said today was if there's unconditional...
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i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> i'm stephanie cutter on the left. the senate has been abuzz all day, and tonight it seems clear, cooler heads are prevailing, the dulles are stepping in. they're trying to prevent the company from defaulting, and newt, i'm sor
i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> i'm stephanie cutter on the left. the senate has been abuzz all day, and tonight it seems clear, cooler heads are prevailing, the dulles are stepping in. they're trying to prevent the company from defaulting, and newt, i'm sor
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i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> i'm stephanie cutter on the left. the senate has been abuzz all day, and tonight it seems clear, cooler heads are prevailing, the dulles are stepping in. they're trying to prevent the company from defaulting, and newt, i'm sorry that it has come to this, but i'm glad we're on the verge of a deal. there's a report out earlier today by an economic forecasting make rho economic advisers that these self-inflicted wounds, cause crises in washington, has cost the country about 900,000 jobs. >> first of all, it's a pity the president hasn't shown leadership and tried to bring people together, but, hey, anybody who thinks john boehner has been bypassed continues to misread the constitution. if the senate doesn't pass something that boehner can pass in the house, it's just a press conference. but second, after all the week you and i have been here, debating about whether or not the president should negotiate, the number one things happening today is they're negotiating. now, i think that's good for america. i'm delighted that
i'm newt gingrich on the right. >> i'm stephanie cutter on the left. the senate has been abuzz all day, and tonight it seems clear, cooler heads are prevailing, the dulles are stepping in. they're trying to prevent the company from defaulting, and newt, i'm sorry that it has come to this, but i'm glad we're on the verge of a deal. there's a report out earlier today by an economic forecasting make rho economic advisers that these self-inflicted wounds, cause crises in washington, has cost...
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as you mentioned before, newt gingrich and bill chont sat down and worked it out. tonight we asked for a conference committee to say let's conference with the senate. that's how we've worked things out when jefferson wrote the rules in about conferences between the house and senate when we get to an impasse, you sit down and have a conference. we're going through the process tonight to say we've done three different proposals over in the senate. all those rejected by the senate. now we hear harry reid says he's going to table that and not even going to meet 0 discuss these things. as my colleague mentioned, we've sent 45 things over to the senate which they just ignore everyone. at some point we have to sit down and talk about these things, no the just send things over to the senate one after another and pretend they didn't occur. there are real concerns and real problems with the affordable care act. there are real issues that have to be addressed there. >> here's the thing though. robert, here's the thing. nobody disputes that. everyone knows it's a huge program
as you mentioned before, newt gingrich and bill chont sat down and worked it out. tonight we asked for a conference committee to say let's conference with the senate. that's how we've worked things out when jefferson wrote the rules in about conferences between the house and senate when we get to an impasse, you sit down and have a conference. we're going through the process tonight to say we've done three different proposals over in the senate. all those rejected by the senate. now we hear...
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on the right, newt gingrich. in the "crossfire." bill richardson, democrat ecformer governor of new mexico, and bob you recallic, the former rep gove you recall lick. 7 happy halloween. >> i'm van jones on the left. in the crossfire, two former governor, bill richardson and bob urlich. on this hall oweek, the worst trick that nobody is talking about is what republican governors are doing to their own people. millions of americans get up every mork, work hard all day long, don't make enough money for insurance, and they make too much money to qualify for medicaid. that's why obama care includes federal dollars for every state to expand medicaid to help those working families. to me there is nothing more ghoulish than republican governors rejecting that money and denying their own citizens life-saving health insurance just for political points. that's my happy halloween to you, newt. >> i know this is a very difficult concept for our friends on the left to understand, but a lot of governors actually believe that being bankrupt would b
on the right, newt gingrich. in the "crossfire." bill richardson, democrat ecformer governor of new mexico, and bob you recallic, the former rep gove you recall lick. 7 happy halloween. >> i'm van jones on the left. in the crossfire, two former governor, bill richardson and bob urlich. on this hall oweek, the worst trick that nobody is talking about is what republican governors are doing to their own people. millions of americans get up every mork, work hard all day long, don't...
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but bob dole with newt gingrich right there and that's what people saw. this isn't what they wanted in their leadership. >> eleanor, take us to the nuts and bolts of medicare spending and what was the 1995 shutdown about? >> well, the president had endorsed a balanced budget in the spring of that year, and so the debate was not about whether the budget would be balanced, but now and the republicans had cut backs in medicare and so it became a confrontation over whose values do you support. the republicans versus the white house. and so in retrospect, it looks look a knignice setup for presi clinton. i was at the breakfast three days into the shutdown when speaker gingrich confessed that one of the reasons behind the shutdown was that he and senator dole felt snubbed because they were on this long plane flight to israel for prime minister yitzhak rabin's funeral, he was assassinated and the president stayed up front with presidents carter and george h.w. bush and never summoned them to the front for negotiations. and they had to exit the plane by the back
but bob dole with newt gingrich right there and that's what people saw. this isn't what they wanted in their leadership. >> eleanor, take us to the nuts and bolts of medicare spending and what was the 1995 shutdown about? >> well, the president had endorsed a balanced budget in the spring of that year, and so the debate was not about whether the budget would be balanced, but now and the republicans had cut backs in medicare and so it became a confrontation over whose values do you...
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